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LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: I spoke earlier with the Immigration Minister, Peter Dutton.
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LEIGH SALES: But why would Britain agree to take somebody that Australia is so concerned about in terms of terrorism that Australia’s stripped them of their citizenship?
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LEIGH SALES: Given all those measures that buy canada goose jacket cheap you outline, there’s quite a broad suite of them, why can people suspected of terrorism not simply be dealt with by the courts? Why does the Immigration Minister need this special power?
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LEIGH SALES: But in 2007, the then Immigration Minister detained a man named Dr Muhamed Haneef canada goose store on suspicion of being a terrorist and it was later shown to be a shambles and a mistake. Doesn’t that case perfectly demonstrate the dangers of allowing ministerial discretion to override legal processes?
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PETER DUTTON: Anything in this area has risk attached to it. Allowing people to return to our countries, whether it’s here or the UK, Canada, New Zealand, when they’ve been training with terrorists in the Middle East is a great risk. This is one of the ways in which we believe we can manage that risk.
LEIGH SALES: In cabinet last Monday, this subject was not listed on the agenda. There was no cabinet submission. There was no written proposal of any kind put in front of ministers. Why not?
canada goose black friday sale PETER DUTTON: Well, I’ll deal with this very quickly because I’m not going to concentrate on process. I want to talk about the substantive issue. There are issues that go to cabinet all the time under the line, as it were. That’s always been the case since Federation. There are discussions in cabinet for and against Canada Goose sale particular measures that ministers bring. In the end, cabinet resolves a particular position. That’s exactly what happened here. The way in which the National Security Committee operates as a subcommittee of cabinet is that it considers all of the intelligence advice, all of the information in relation to a particular matter, which is not heard in cabinet and then the NSC resolves issues and takes recommendations to cabinet. canada goose black friday sale
LEIGH SALES: You say that this proposal was under the line in cabinet, but why would such an important matter as stripping people of citizenship not be something that was listed for formal discussion and other ministers provided with briefing notes on it?
PETER DUTTON: Well again, I’m not going into process, but the NSC, the National Security Committee, which is a committee that’s informed by all of the intelligence chiefs, the Chief of Defence, the Australian Federal Police Commissioner, other people from our intelligence community, that’s the forum where these matters are discussed, canada goose black friday sale as they should be. And national security for us is an absolute priority and I believe that the Government has put forward a proposition which is sensible, it’s measured because we do not render somebody stateless under these proposals, and importantly, we also have judicial review.
LEIGH SALES: OK. You’re about to leave this interview to go to a cabinet meeting. Given that leak that we’ve spoken of with all of those extraordinary details from last week’s cabinet meeting, how can you and your colleagues have any confidence that you can have a private, robust discussion?
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Canada Goose Outlet LEIGH SALES: But what about addressing the point that I’ve raised? How can you have the confidence of having a private discussion around the cabinet table when one of your colleagues clearly feels free to go and share those details publicly? Canada Goose Outlet
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LEIGH SALES: Should the Prime Minister seek out that leaker?
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